My understanding is the HTO additive is an "extreme pressure additive" and is used to "convert" 10w-30 motor oil into a hydraulic oil.It was a Case thing and recommended right thru the XT series of skid steers IIRC. But the later models also called for HY-Tran as a substitute IIRC.I would run a premium hydraulic oil like HY-TRAN, Hy guard, Shell Rotella trans/hydro, etc and not think twice.
It is my suspicion that case or bobcat buys semi loads of components from eaton, vickers, gresen, sunstrand, etc etc etc with their unique tidbits added on and tags/part numbers off.. I know this to be the case on my bobcat. THROUGH bobcat the wheelmotors are NLA bit its just a charlynn 4000 series and still serviceable if you know how to ask the charlynn rep.Anyways i am speculating based on the american frenzy to increase revenues by any possible means, that the manufacturers are getting a component with a wide range of standard lubricant for temp and service conditions and are then writing the casecatmatsu holy grail owners manual that says you need to run casecatmatsu deere spec 3 magic unicorn sauce or it will explode under all conditions. Thatll be $49/qt + tax.Now, is charlynn selling that same component to cat and telling cat they better send their customers to case for case branded unicorn juice? Unlikely.No... more likely is that cat has shell blend up their own unicorn sauce just like case does. Andnso does rural king and tractor supply and maybe even walmart too. But with no tags on the charlynn part who is to say?I like how stihl does it. Use our unicorn sauce and we will give you extra warranty. I dont like how others do it. Use anything else and void our warranty. Thats a goonish way to make a rebranded lube sale.I know two people in the lube blending business.. One at a company that smith and wesson paid insane money to for specialty greases for their CNCs. My very good friend is in procurement at the grease place and its just whatever they can buy cheapest, blend up and brand for maximum markup. They shmooze their way onto the OEM recommended list with kickbacks and buddy buddyism. Shmoozing is a big business.Rimula 15w-40 is a white label bucket of rotella T 15w-40 with $2 per gallon of marketing cost removed. Can only get it in a pail at bulk lube suppliers. Had a friend at one of those too.Then another friend who is an engineer at a major oil corporation. I cant remember which blending chemical it was that saved them a ton of money because it was a waste product of some other industry, that they marketed as "clean" petroleum.Everyone wants your money. Boogie men and little white lies rake in a lot of it.If the component manufacturer is identifiable they should be able to give you the whole range of suitable lube standards and i would sleep okay with any of them too.
Oh Mike, you are too much. This past summer I put 15 gal. T.S. 'el-cheapo' hyd. oil in my old [everything I have is old] IH 2504 tractor that I mow old fields with. She has 3 spool valves on the rh fender that leak pretty good. That stopped. I got a notice from Tractor supply saying the oil was no good and they are suing the maker. Said it was loaded with flush solvents and stuff. Should I have bought more?
Also Mike, do you remember kickapo joy juice? You might be too young but I'm sure you know snake oil.
I cant help that someone at the blending plant emptied the dustpan into the mixing tank doug. They could do that at the catdeermatapillar unicorn tank batch 3 plant just the same. Luck of the draw there bub.The same turd engineers that get fired from one gun manufacturer go on to the next one ya know!No kickapo juice but i have cases of dusty old snake oil here on the shelf that im just too honest to ever part with.
It ALL makes for a great brush fire enhancement. For the outdoor bonfire you know :D
Quote from: Tacotodd on November 30, 2021, 11:09:14 AMIt ALL makes for a great brush fire enhancement. For the outdoor bonfire you know :DNot if you have an old diesel with pre combustion chambers.
Dodging fuel tax in civil protest? OH NO YOU DIINT!
Mike, I agree with everything you said. But I also know with my luck, I'd run something else and take out my hystat pump or motors. I will be figuring something else like Hy-Tran to use. $50 for a quart of juice is just stupid. I was born on a weekend, but it wasn't last weekend😁
There seems to be all kinds of motor oils recommended for hydraulics. I think the additive that holds and drops the water is what may not be in motor service oils. Hy-tran has that since IH came out with hyd. in the letter series and it was and is necessary as condensation puts water in your hyd. system.
I went thru a similar investigation some years ago after Case and IH merged because I have an old Case 1470TK with the same oil spec. So Chevy is right, just use the latest version of Hy-tran and you should be good. It will have the seal conditioners for the hydraulic use and the EP additives for heavy gear use in transmissions. The only problem you may then have is Hy-tran may be a bit too high viscosity for use in winter and cause hard starting.
I picked up 2 pails of HyTran rated oil yesterday at TS in their traveller brand. We were asking around at one of the old school parts houses and the owner said that any hyd oil marked "Premium" vs "Universal" should have a cross ref to HyTran on it. These did at <$40/pail. The last Rotella I got was ~100/pail, that was the last, I had to break that high class habit.